In this companion episode to the play Tears for £££s, writer Mufaro Makubika chats to counsellor Koren Harris about experiences of grief after the death of a loved one. Having never had counselling himself, he wants to know more about what happens and how it works. Koren talks this through in detail and their chat covers counselling and race, masculinity and grief; and what happens when the tears won’t fall.

Content information

This episode contains references to death and grieving.



  • Produced by She Wants a Dog (Kate Chapman and Pippa Frith)
  • Assistant Producer Daljinder Johal
  • Sound design by Iain Armstrong
  • Sound editing by Fraser Youngson
  • Partner: Nottingham Playhouse
  • Supported by Arts Council England

Download a transcript of this conversation